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Saturday, August 26, 2017

With Clr. Whitehead - on LRT

Clr. Terry Whitehead
We checked in with Ward 8 Councillor and friend of The Hamiltonian, Terry Whitehead on LRT. Enjoy our chat with the Clr.

1. With the addition of Eastgate Square as a destination, how comfortable are you with LRT as it is currently being envisioned. Has the Eastgate addition and perhaps other adjustments made, moved you significantly from a place of extreme concern to a new perspective on the matter?


My role as a councillor is to ensure that we understand the risks, the consequences and mitigate those issues as much as practical when making decisions. The LRT system moving from McMaster to the Queenston traffic circle was the worst case scenario for a comprehensive transit system. With no North/South connectivity this plan was not consistent with the city endorsed plan and would have put taxpayers of this community at great financial risk. When we were dealing with the EA report at council I knew that the vote would be tight. In good conscience I could not allow the LRT plan in its incomplete design, pass or be supported. I chose to leverage the original plan to Eastgate which provided a greater level of connectivity in our transportation plan. It would increase possible success, but for sure would mitigate the higher risk plan that was in play. I still have misgivings. I believe the uplift argument is overinflated especially when the Canadian Urban Institute indicated that after all is said and done we’re still only looking at only a 1% assessment increase and this projection was made before the Scott Park lands became a non-tax generating revenue property. Ridership is sitting at 444 passengers at peak hour in peak direction. The growth projections for Hamilton have not been met for the last 10 years and I doubt they will be met for the next 10 years therefore these numbers should not be relied on for ridership projections on ridership, uplift, and the operating and maintenance costs. As a metaphor, I believe that this is a plan tantamount to us buying a size 10 shoe when we’re only a size 2; knowing that someday we will grow into it.

Unfortunately so many things can change in that time frame and the costs will still be borne by the
taxpayer. In the end, the operating and maintenance agreement coming forward will be the ultimate test. It will determine for the 14 km’s of LRT service whether we are getting value for the dollar or if it will be cost prohibitive to the taxpayers of this community.

2. With a recent report that highlights concerns regarding HSR ridership being down, absenteeism being a problem and the net effect on the bottom line, does this give you pause? Do you believe options such as uber etc. will continue to frustrate efforts to promote transit uptake and do you believe these types of trends can prove to be devastating to the success of LRT? Or are you of the view that uber and other options will simply serve as a menu item of transit options in our city, without necessarily causing issues for LRT?

Ridership in many urban transit centres have dropped in recent years. Some experts would point at uber, ride share or the introduction of bike programs as a contributing factor. The reality is; the lower the ridership the higher the subsidy needed to provide the same level of service. Even today we see autonomous vehicles providing direct services for many individuals in some cities. These types of technologies will further impact our ridership making the public transit system more convenient and also cost competitive. One could argue that the LRT would be just one of many options for transit and it’s great to have options but if the ridership is not there, there will be a greater financial impact to the taxpayer.

3. It appears that Hamilton City Council is increasingly sensitized to the plight of ATU and union employees in the implementation plans for LRT. Do you believe that the interests of unionized employees should have been given greater consideration earlier in the process and do you believe that the city should ensure that unionized employees service the LRT system?

At the onset of this discussion, Councillor Jackson raised questions regarding ATU and their fit into the LRT plan. The Memorandum of Agreement clearly contemplates changes in opportunity. The request for HSR to operate and maintain the LRT system is prudent at this time and should be considered. Currently, the Request for Qualifications went out to define scope and to determine qualified professionals both from a financial and experiential point of view. Nowhere in the RFQ did it define with any specificity what would be contained in the Request for Proposals. The RFQ sets out a wide net looking at build, operating and maintenance of the project but does not restrict itself to any commitments. After all, the RFQ is about determining qualified applicants to apply for the RFP. I believe that the RFP can include an option for HSR to be the operator and I also believe that the proponent could provide detailed analysis of two options within the RFP for consideration of council.

I believe that essential public services should be within the city’s purview, period. I also believe that we can’t completely rely on Metrolinx to solve our transportation needs of the future. Therefore the request for HSR to operate and maintain is also about capacity building and allows us to control our own destiny.

4. Is there anything else you’d like Hamiltonians to know about your thinking, concerning LRT, at this point in time?

Although I have a lot of misgivings about the LRT, I am a team player. I will identify shortfalls but I will do everything I can to make the plan under the current circumstances the best it can be. 

Thanks Clr. Whitehead for engaging with Hamiltonians via The Hamiltonian. 

15 comments:

  1. "Transport Minister Glen Murray says Hamilton won't have to make a direct capital contribution to build the proposed 800 million LRT system"
    Hamilton Spectator, Dreschel
    "Province says it will pay for Hamilton LRT" 3/8/13

    What Mr. Murray didn't say (as it might have led to some questioning) was that ...Hamilton WILL have to make an "indirect" capital contribution to build the proposed LRT....via allowing for the siphoning off of operating revenue collected along our busiest and most profitable route.
    For 30 years.

    This was never "free" and anyone suggesting it was should be considered accordingly.

    By reclaiming "O&M" from the original DBFOM model, we are reclaiming that cash, and thereby removing the gravy from the gravy train.
    Now the project will be viewed on it's own merit, and a revised cost/benefit analysis. Why would the Province care who operates and maintains it's gift to the City? Unless...

    I suspect the Province will return with something to the effect:
    " fine, you want HSR to operate LRT? Then you will now be paying 150 million over the next 30 years for your transit breakthrough. How does that grab you?"
    Double digit tax increases... for years.
    For what?
    So dwindling ridership can board a train instead of a bus?
    Thanks again to Mayor Fred for taking the entire community along on his wild ride, it's been more fun than the "Tilt-a-Whirl" at the Binbrook fair. Shout out to Councilor Green for bringing the conversation back to the community. We could not have done this without you! And applause to Councilor Whitehead for the clown shoe metaphor...quite an appropriate image.
    The saga continues. (Yay!)

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    1. And what is "guesstimate" of this "indirect" capital contribution. Remember, take the total operation and maintenance cost of the existing fleet on the various lines to be replaced by the LRT. Then take how much these buses take in as "our busiest and most profitable route".

      What dollar amount do you come up with?

      Stompin Cam

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    2. "I suspect the Province will return with something to the effect "fine, you want HSR to operate LRT? Then you will now be paying 150 million over the next 30 years for your transit breakthrough. How does that grab you?"

      They could. And then we will say "Thanks but no thanks. ATU/HSR? We tried. Too bad. Soo sad" And then we continue forward.

      Or, the province says "No". And then we say "ATU/HSR? We tried. Too bad. Soo sad" And we continue forward.

      Yay.

      Stompin Cam

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    3. found another fly in our ointment.
      Regardless of whether or not ATU/HSR is operating the trains, this plan requires their full cooperation on the route running the buses that are required to provide an acceptable standard of service.
      So this "too bad, soo sad" schtick will likely do little to foster a culture necessary to benefit any transit user.
      Having 2 distinct, competing transit agencies providing services on the same route seems like a recipe for labour strife.
      Why would we create a scenario likely to explode?

      orangemike

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    4. "allowing for the siphoning off of revenue collected along our busiest and most profitable route"

      Would you post a link to the contract that stipulates this?

      How much profit does the HSR make on that high-functioning route? You seem to suggest that ridership is in a nosedive. Do bus ads really bring in that much money?

      Sigma Cub



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    5. Profit? What business would profit have in a transit discussion about Hamilton?

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    6. "the siphoning off of operating revenue collected along our busiest and most profitable route"

      Least subsidized, you mean. There is no profit to skim. It just has far stronger ridership numbers and growth trends than the system as a whole. But aside from "the siphoning off of operating revenue," an O&M contract would also come with substantial obligation. Namely, to operate and maintain the vehicles to a performance and service standard far beyond anything the HSR has shown itself capable of to date. The ATU would characterize this as an opportunity to grow institutional capacity, but that elides the reality of an O&M contract for Hamilton LRT, which, if successful, would make the HSR subcontractors for Metrolinx. And because of rules around conflict if interest and bid integrity, the City would henceforth have no ability to shape the terms of the RFQ or RFP. They would just get to sign on to the kind of hard-assed contract that they've been advocating for in order to ensure that project partners deliver to spec. Over 30 years.

      Glad that Councillor Whitehead sees that as a price worth paying.

      Winthrop


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    7. least subsidized=most profitable. One in the same.
      Can you provide a link to a citation which would support your premise respecting contractual obligations, or are you just speculating again?
      In a single post, you have spoken on my behalf, on behalf of ATU, defined contractual obligations of all parties, and determined the City's abilities and limitations during negotiations.
      As for Councilor Whitehead, " In the end, the operating and maintenance agreement coming forward will be the ultimate test.It will determine for the 14 km service whether we are getting value for the dollar or if it will be cost prohibitive to the taxpayers of this community"
      Sounds to me like your "glad" may be a little premature.

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    8. Cost recovery of less than 100% is not profit, last I checked. And it goes without saying that when you triple service levels, you alter the R/C ratio. So if you think that the B-Line is a ridership driver and has great potential for making money, maybe you'll support municipal investment in public transit and dedicated transit-only lanes. Makes sense. But probably not. Seems like the only time you use transit is for a rhetorical cudgel.

      Winthrop



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    9. who is tripling service levels? Certainly not us, we are replacing a bus, with a train. Period.
      I do not think the B-Line is a "ridership driver", (not even really certain what that means)
      I do think Metrolinx intended to vacuum up any fare recovered, and use the revenue to sweeten the deal for the Consortium selected.
      But that is all out the window now.
      Unless the Province wants to try to impose a solution. That ought to be fun.

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  2. "And applause to Councilor Whitehead for the clown shoe metaphor...quite an appropriate image." And on behalf of this pro lrt citizen, thank you again Councillor Whitehead for voting for lrt time and time and time again. And special thanks in being instrumental in having eastgate terminus added back to the lrt. Your continued efforts to further expand Hamiltons lrt are appreciated.

    Stompin Cam

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    1. indeed, we'll take whatever support we can muster, cuz these are desperate times.
      better to have the support of a Councilor with serious misgivings who believes that "essential public services should be within the City's purview. Period" than some guys pretending it is important that ATU/HSR be involved in our vision.
      We all know Green will likely waffle again. But Jackson, Conley and Partridge likely will not, and that creates some very uncomfortable mathematics for me to decipher. It is not looking good.I need to rest.
      I'll get back to you.

      orangemike

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  3. Waste of time. Forget about urban density and keep paving farmland. Once the PCs dissolve the Greenbelt Act there's no shortage of sites for subdivisions in Winona, Freelton and Carlisle.

    Clown Car

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  4. If you actually stop and think about it, having 2 distinct, competing (and quite likely adversarial) interests running transit services through our downtown core could well be the missing ingredient in Mayor Fred's original vision of community harmony.
    Nothing brings this community together quite like acrimony.
    It will be better to have outsiders commute daily (the irony) compete for already limited parking spots,work that shift, then take those dollars back to whatever community they came from.
    Makes sense.
    And ridership could actually increase if users thought they may well be entertained by a slow speed demolition derby as an added benefit to no benefit. Everyone could wear go-kart helmets! Seat-belts at your discretion. Wagers could be taken, incentives for assistance could be distributed. A marketing goldmine could emerge. We may need to revise those shelf life estimates, but if people are flocking to glimpse the spectacle, it will likely be a trade off.Lose/Win.
    Maybe we can have Metrolinx run it into the ground for the first 15 years, then turn it over to ATU/HSR once it is destroyed?
    That might work.
    Just saying.

    Demi

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